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WFB at the society.

Postby The Kremlin » Thursday 6th March, 2014 12:53 pm

I think the state of WFB at the society needs discussing.

The main game played at the moment is 40k, by numbers, I doubt anyone would dispute that. Show up with a 40k army and you're near-guaranteed games. Most people will have a 40k army with them.

A number of people play various other games - xwing, batman, flames of war, warmachine, uncharted seas, gothic, etc - typically by arrangement only.

For WFB, historically (for my time here at least, so the last 5 years) it has typically been the case that if you show up with an army, at least a few other people will have one. I've had one with me almost every week I've been along, a few other keen people have typically kept the number of people up just enough that one could randomly bring WFB and get games. This seems to no longer be the case - I'm about the only enthusiast still regularly bringing it, with Simon Canham perhaps being the other (and that partly as DoC can be used in 40k too, I suspect?)

I'd like to change that.

I gather a few have been put off by the ruleset. That is fair enough, though to my view 8th is by far the best WFB ruleset yet, once one gets used to it.

Others may have been put off by the more competitive play about. Basically, practice for tournaments (Nationals, or other events for Nik/Sam/TomP/myself) has been an excuse to arrange WFB games, and hence actually get some gaming in. Therefore, people may have primarily seen fairly competitive play, and felt put off by this.

A proposition: I undertake to bring a WFB army every week I show up, and to deliberately bring soft lists as well as hard ones so if people want to bring a more friendly army they'll have someone to play. I'm even happy to run the armylists past people in advance to make sure they're reasonable.

I don't want it to get to the stage of WFB being an arrangement-only game. That said, if people do want to specifically arrange a game with me, please do, I'd be happy to play. Do people think an arrangement system as per specialist games might be necessary?

Is anyone thinking of getting back into WFB?

Fundamentally, I enjoy 40k casually, and love the campaign, but I don't want it to be the only game I play at the society. Any suggestions about how to prevent that?
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Re: WFB at the society.

Postby Talorian » Thursday 6th March, 2014 1:26 pm

The Kremlin wrote:Fundamentally, I enjoy 40k casually, and love the campaign, but I don't want it to be the only game I play at the society. Any suggestions about how to prevent that?


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Re: WFB at the society.

Postby Sam » Thursday 6th March, 2014 5:53 pm

I'm just gearing up to leave work when I wandered over to the forum and saw this thread.

I will ponder this subject and return to this post with my musings.
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Re: WFB at the society.

Postby Mattman » Friday 7th March, 2014 10:16 am

Talorian wrote:
The Kremlin wrote:Fundamentally, I enjoy 40k casually, and love the campaign, but I don't want it to be the only game I play at the society. Any suggestions about how to prevent that?


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Re: WFB at the society.

Postby Comrade_Nikolai » Friday 7th March, 2014 1:00 pm

The Kremlin wrote:Is anyone thinking of getting back into WFB?

Fundamentally, I enjoy 40k casually, and love the campaign, but I don't want it to be the only game I play at the society. Any suggestions about how to prevent that?


I still like fantasy, I think one of my main issues is that with both new edition changes, armies for both systems have gotten a lot bigger, and I can no longer bring down everything I'd like to, also GW's reckless pace of codex release has kind of put me off playing anything I already own as I haven't really caught up with all the stuff I need to buy/paint/assemble for the new books for tau, high elves, chaos warriors, space marines etc. Hopefully I'll have more time after the nationals, but will probably only be able to bring fantasy down for a weekend or two at most till then. I guess I could drive down, but that feels kind of wasteful...
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Re: WFB at the society.

Postby Goliath » Sunday 9th March, 2014 2:18 am

Unfortunately 40K is the only game for which I actually have an army. I do very much like the idea of doing a Lustrian themed Orc/Goblin army with plenty of spiders and savages at some point in the future (absolutely no idea if it would actually work as an army), but that would be reliant on me getting the money to pay for an army, which is reliant on getting work over the summer.

I do get the impression, however, that quite a few people that have fantasy armies don't bring them in because of the perception that the only games they'll be able to get are against armies being practiced with for tournaments, similar to if everyone that tried to play 40K had to fight Tom's Taudar. (I have no idea of the veracity of this notion, I just know that it's a thing) I know for certain that the reason Greg stopped bringing fantasy was because he got a few games with a list that did well at the school league, and was completely demolished every time.

So yeah, I think getting people to write slightly softer lists would do wonders.

(I also want a small empire army so I have an excuse to use my Elspeth Von Draken on Carmine Dragon model :D )
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Re: WFB at the society.

Postby Comrade_Nikolai » Sunday 9th March, 2014 1:00 pm

Goliath wrote:I do get the impression, however, that quite a few people that have fantasy armies don't bring them in because of the perception that the only games they'll be able to get are against armies being practiced with for tournaments, similar to if everyone that tried to play 40K had to fight Tom's Taudar. (I have no idea of the veracity of this notion, I just know that it's a thing) I know for certain that the reason Greg stopped bringing fantasy was because he got a few games with a list that did well at the school league, and was completely demolished every time.

So yeah, I think getting people to write slightly softer lists would do wonders.


To be fair, I only cheesed my list up once I saw how many gutter runners he had...
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Re: WFB at the society.

Postby Palfy » Sunday 9th March, 2014 1:42 pm

Goliath wrote:
I do get the impression, however, that quite a few people that have fantasy armies don't bring them in because of the perception that the only games they'll be able to get are against armies being practiced with for tournaments, similar to if everyone that tried to play 40K had to fight Tom's Taudar. (I have no idea of the veracity of this notion, I just know that it's a thing) I know for certain that the reason Greg stopped bringing fantasy was because he got a few games with a list that did well at the school league, and was completely demolished every time.

So yeah, I think getting people to write slightly softer lists would do wonders.


It only appears that way between me an Jake because a pre arranged game with Jake seems to be the only way to get a game of WFB - I live 45 mins away by car, and I don't want to pop up on the off chance I can get a game. Its also a good excuse to try out a tournament list.

I am more than happy to bring softer lists (in fact, I don't think I've played anyone with a tournament list without them knowing beforehand and them being happy with doing so). But I can see that people seeing us playing with hard armies could put them off.

Maybe if we get special hats made with "I am playing a tournament practise game, please do not judge" to wear during such games people wouldn't get the impression that we are all cheese monkeys!
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Re: WFB at the society.

Postby Rick » Sunday 9th March, 2014 4:03 pm

Games have always tended to go through peaks and troughs of activity as people get enthused about them and because people bring stuff everyone else is bringing. Actively arranging games via the forum might help - if people see others are bringing along WFB they might do themselves. A more likely strategy might be to organising some kind of event (e.g. a campaign day or doubles tournament) to try and revive widespread interest in the society. But both those things rely on people actually wanting to play WFB, I'm not sure how others actually feel about it.

Personally I really like 8th edition but I'm put off by the lack of an organised campaign and by the fact my skaven army is so heavy and in such a huge bag it kind of prevents me bringing anything else along.
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Re: WFB at the society.

Postby Goliath » Friday 21st March, 2014 4:03 pm

Well, once I've finished m Daemons army for the Nationals I'm going to attempt to start an Empire Fantasy army, as I already have a fairly vicious Lords choice. I may need some help with writing/learning to play however, as I've never played before.
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