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Postby Mattman » Saturday 3rd March, 2012 12:32 am

Me and Ian are going to start playing some Epic and I was wondering if there was anyone else who was interested?

Now when I say Epic, I don't mean Epic:Armageddon, or Epic 40k, I am talking about the more superior Space Marine 2nd Edition rules set.
Although this rule set came out in the 90s, there has been a community group who have been beavering away over the years, tweaking things and balancing army lists as well as creating new lists for the races that didn't exist back then. These rules can be downloaded here:

http://www.netepic.org/netepic.html

To differentiate the rules from the other sets and to show that this is a Community project carried out on the internet they have choosen to call the updated rules, NetEpic. The community have even gone as far as to make full colour professionally looking books for the rules and army lists.

The primary place that these updated rules are discussed is on the Tactical Command Forums under the NetEpic section.

http://www.tacticalwargames.net/taccmd/index.php

This is where errata is discussed and recommendations are made.

Now obviously for OOP games, it can be difficult to find models, but GW still maintain a stock (for a price) and you can still pick up loads of stuff on ebay. But there are also other 6mm scifi games on the market with model ranges that are significantly cheaper than GW and look just as good and some even work for the armies that GW haven't produced models for (like Necrons). Three of the main alternative suppliers are:

http://www.exoduswars.com/Exodus-Wars-6mm/b/1479770031?ie=UTF8&title=Exodus%20Wars%206mm
http://www.darkrealmminiatures.co.uk/store/home.php
http://www.brigademodels.co.uk/6mmSF/index.html

There are several others, especially for vehicles.

So if anyone is interested, tap me up for a game next time I am over and maybe we can see about introducing another aspect of the 40k universe to the society.

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Re: Epic

Postby Morph » Saturday 3rd March, 2012 1:13 am

Sweet! Space Marine 2nd Ed was indeed the best epic ruleset, I look forward to having some games.
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Re: Epic

Postby Mattman » Saturday 3rd March, 2012 1:33 am

Who doesn't want to enjoy massive battles with hundreds of men, tanks and of course titans!
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Re: Epic

Postby woodnoggin » Sunday 4th March, 2012 3:29 am

It'd be nice to see a Squat Land Train back in action again.
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Re: Epic

Postby Talorian » Sunday 4th March, 2012 1:18 pm

Another company of marines dead and plenty if eldar dead too. Quite enjoyed the Reaver Titan having a reactor meltdown though :)
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Re: Epic

Postby Mattman » Sunday 4th March, 2012 5:02 pm

Almost 2 companies dead and another ancient warmachine bites the dust. Was good fun though and cool to see that it sparked some interest from other people.
I have been looking at the Squat superheavies and seen a few examples of some nice scratch builds which might a good route to go down rather than spending a small fortune to get them off ebay.
Need to have a good look through the updated NetEpic version as they have introduced a few more units and the superheavies are treated like titan now with hit charts.

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Re: Epic

Postby Mattman » Sunday 4th March, 2012 5:19 pm

If anyone is looking for inspiration on how to build a Necron army (given that there aren't any actual models) then check out these blogs as they showcase two very nicely done epic armies.

http://jodrell.org/2011/01/08/2010-a-year-in-gaming/

Jodrell also seems to be the driving force behind the NetEpic stuff and is the person who has set up the OpenEpic.org wiki to maintain and update the rules.

http://onyxworkshop.wordpress.com/epic-armageddon/necrons/

Onyxs blog has a large selection of nice looking epic armies as well as the Necrons.

This post on the TacComs forum shows another Necron army that took a bit of a twist with the vehicles:

http://www.tacticalwargames.net/taccmd/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=18082

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Re: Epic

Postby Rick » Sunday 4th March, 2012 7:16 pm

I've always been interested due to my obsession with making my armies playable in every system for linked up campaign gaming :) If people want to bring epic down for a game feel free to advertise it in the minor games bulletin board thread so we can all join in the fun.

Yeah those exodus models make pretty good necrons. Sadly, the only gribbly aliens available look like pretty poor nid substitutes and I didn't notice any good tau match ups (correct me if I'm wrong, there are a lot of human varient armies so I might have missed one that was a good match). However I managed to grab a load of nid infantry off Ian and I already have the start of a good tau army - in the shape of a rather large AI force!

I was chatting about this with Tim last night. Shapeways (http://www.shapeways.com/) is a 3D printers based in the netherlands. You can upload your own 3D models and have them printed or look through the shop database and print out models someone else has uploaded and made public. I've used them myself in the past and whilst it requires a fair bit or technical know-how its possible to make your own models in this way. Most materials have a flat rate minimum charge and then its done by weight, so printing out large numbers of 6mm infantry should be fairly cheap if done as a single sprue. I only spotted a few chimera and hydra analogs in the database when I searched (by Grim Dark Bits) but I plan on having a go at this myself - certainly I think it would be quite easy to do a tau army in this way by combining it with stuff available from forgeworld (significantly sky ray hulls and piranhas are still available - i.e. the curved stuff!). I'm using google sketchup 8 as a handy, easy to use and free 3D model builder but I understand there are better ones available for doing more biological style models. I'll post the results of any attempts I make and if things go well I might end up doing "requests", especially for easy stuff like necron vehicles.
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Re: Epic

Postby Mattman » Monday 5th March, 2012 9:40 am

I have spent some time looking through Shapeways at some of the stuff, especially terrain bits, also noticed that someone has done a blatant rip off of a Delaque gang for Necromunda and some undead space insects! I wonder what it would take to make up some Epic knight models?
Tau infantry should be easier to do than gribblies, especially the battle suits since they are quite blocky, just a matter of playing around and at 6mm that detail doesn't have to be ... well ... detailed :?
If you do knock up some Tau models then I wouldn't mind some of them. Never a bad thing to have extra epic armies.

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Re: Epic

Postby Rick » Monday 5th March, 2012 1:58 pm

Yeah, 6mm is pretty forgiving on the detail so its just a matter of constructing the correct shape for the most part. The nids will be quite tricky but I think GWs standardised "look" for them is my friend here - I can construct 3D models of common components (e.g. rib cage, carapace, scything talons) and then simply alter the sizes and piece them together for different gribblies - e.g. a trygon could use the same rib cage as a carnifex, it just needs to be longer and bigger. Plus at 6mm I won't need to go into super levels of detail. I also think it would be a good idea not to follow GWs models too slavishly - I can mix in some ideas from zerg and other alien style stuff, its not as if tyranids all look the same after all.

I took a look at emporiums bio titans but the models are a bit rubbish and too pricey - I reckon I can make better ones for free by kitbashing some of the heap of parts left over from my nid army. It worked for the gothic fleet after all.
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Re: Epic

Postby Llamahead » Sunday 6th May, 2012 7:56 pm

Got a large Ork force and chatting about Nids, Necrons and Tau
http://www.exoduswars.com/ Has both Nid Hive Guard and Tau Kroot in the Guild List as well as some excellent Squats and Necrons
http://www.plasmablastgames.com/ Has a great not Tau range including suits and nifty tanks
http://shop.groundzerogames.net/ Has some interesting gubbins
http://www.darkrealmminiatures.com/ Is why I gave away my guard infantry these are nicer
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Re: Epic

Postby Mattman » Monday 7th May, 2012 11:14 pm

I posted some of those links further up.
There are several 6mm companies out there that do models suitable for some of the epic armies.

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Re: Epic

Postby Llamahead » Wednesday 9th May, 2012 7:16 pm

Oops sorry what did you make of the Ground Zero Games and Plasmablast stuff?
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Re: Epic

Postby Mattman » Thursday 10th May, 2012 9:36 am

No probs.

PBG have some really nice looking vehicles. Quite like the angled look of the Orbital Combine stuff.
GZG have a massive selection of vehicles of all sizes and also seem to do some nice "support" vehicles like lifters and bridge layer. It would be nice if they had some pictures of their infantry as they seem to have a good selection.

As I posted above, there are loads of places to get 6mm vehicles, it is the infantry that can be a bit tricky for some of the armies (Tyranids and Tau specifically).
Of all the manufacturers I think Exodus are the best option as they have loads of infantry that can pass as several races in the GW world (an important one being the Necrons!) plus stacks of vehicles.

Once my marines are done I plan on getting some Khazari from Exodus and making a squat army, though I may have to chance ebay to get some exoarmour troops and super heavies. Although I have seen some nice conversions for squat vehicles using the Dystopian Wars stuff from Spartan.

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Re: Epic

Postby Mattman » Monday 4th June, 2012 4:35 pm

There seems to be another new company called Hawk Wargames which are previewing models for their up coming game

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.221687184603542.40383.215887118516882&type=3

These are for a 10mm scale game, but some of the models may work for epic.
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Re: Epic

Postby Rommel » Thursday 7th February, 2013 10:30 am

Hi,

I have a fully painted 2000 pt Epic Armageddon Raven Guard army with Legio support. I'm trying to make a list with the net epic rules, but all my units are wrong.

I am liking how space marine tank squadrons are back to 3. But the battle company makes no sense, am I reading it wrong? 3 tactical, 3 assault and 3 dev squads and command? Since when has that been the organisation of a battle company? Has the fluff been retconned since space marine?

Also assault marines in rhinos? Confused.
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Re: Epic

Postby Mattman » Thursday 7th February, 2013 12:33 pm

That is correct. Back in the day the standard codex companies were based around 9 squads (3 of each in a Battle Company) plus the HQ to make 100 men. Since EA, they have changed the formation of the Battle Company to 6+2+2 (to make the hundred men) plus HQ on top.

Again back in the day assault marines would be transported in Rhinos as well (sometimes they wouldn't have jump packs), you would still need some way of moving men about over long distances if you didn't have flying capability. We didn't have Thunderhawks back then :?

To make your Battle Company work in NetEpic at its simplest you just need a few extra rhinos and just use some of the tactical stands as proxied assault/devastator marines (I am sure people have spare rhinos kicking about) and people wouldn't be worried about the marines not being the correct model (even further back in the day, the only marine model was a beaky tactical and it had to represent all the different marine types :lol: ). Or if you want the company to look correct you need another 2 dev and assault stands.

In the future the "modern" company formations may be rolled out, the current Gold rules have taken all the original rules, tweaked them and added a few new things to create a base line for the game. There are plans for further updates and expansions and one of those things I will be pushing for is the option of choosing between original "heresy" and modern formations (plus unusual chapter ones like my Salamanders as they don't even play by the 6/2/2 rules, they have 7 tactical, 3 dev and 2 assault squads in a battle company).

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Re: Epic

Postby Mattman » Monday 13th May, 2013 10:23 am

I was talking to Chris at the weekend about alternative manufacturers for 6mm miniatures and thought I would post some more links.

All the ones above are still producing and adding to their lines. Exodus Wars have just started producing their own line of titans called Behemoths. Currently only large and small variants are available, but a medium is on the way.

Dave has mentioned using Armoured Clash models from Spartan, a move which I approve of. Lots of tanks to choose from and many could fit nicely into Guard or Chaos.

http://www.spartangames.co.uk/tag/armoured-clash

Onslaught is a recent start up to cover some of the hard to find troops (gribbly aliens and anime inspired armoured troops to start with). Deacon (the guy behind it) also has plans for vehicles and space dwarves, including a properly scaled company transport and command vehicle which can hold 120ish men/dwarves! Also inspired by the gribbly aliens, he has done a spin off line of hybrids with several different variants at different generational points.

http://www.onslaughtmini.com/

His shop is a bit sparse at the moment as he only produced a small first print run to see how popular things would be (he is planning on re-stocking and updating as more miniatures go to get manufactured).
Deacon posts up WiP pics of his models on TacComs and happily takes advice from people to improve the look as he is working on them. The post may be 50+ pages long, but it is well worth looking through, currently he is working on a line of Avian styled infantry and has teased us all with images for evil space elves!

http://www.tacticalwargames.net/taccmd/viewtopic.php?f=126&t=23815

Evil and Chaos is another sculptor getting into the 6mm thing. He started his own game in 10mm and has a webstore for it.

http://www.troublemakergames.co.uk/index.htm

E&C is looking to expand into the 6mm world. He has a few topics on TacComs showing his work on various human infantry lines and plastic battle tanks with multiple turret options.

http://www.tacticalwargames.net/taccmd/viewtopic.php?f=126&t=24921
http://www.tacticalwargames.net/taccmd/viewtopic.php?f=126&t=22684

One of his plans was to produce a box of human space infantry for around £30 that will include a companies worth of men (about 16 bases each of 5 men), 12 battle tanks, 8 APCs and 8 artillery tanks. I think he is still working out the numbers, but if it does come together, then it could be the start of reasonably priced 6mm figures.
As well as his own stuff, he is also sculpting for another newly announced 6mm games called Age of Tyrants. E&C talks about it here.

http://www.tacticalwargames.net/taccmd/viewtopic.php?f=126&t=24215

The topic includes links to the FB page which has loads of concept images at the moment.

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Re: Epic

Postby noodle » Monday 13th May, 2013 5:35 pm

I would so get a tau army!

I've decided to get Epic and finish painting it before expanding my games systems any further. Bringing epic on Saturday (though I've forgotten how to play... again)
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Re: Epic

Postby Mattman » Tuesday 14th May, 2013 9:02 am

noodle wrote:I would so get a tau army!


Shush, they are not "Tau", they are the Okami Technocracy Combine or OTC. Their resemblance to said previously mentioned range of models from another miniature manufacturer is purely coincidental :roll: :roll: :roll:
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